More tricks than you can understand
Terminator and the group of guys at HighAbove have
created a new variety vid/tricktage that's so full of tricks that you'll probably have to watch it twice to understand all the cool stuff that was done. There are a number of decent launches, some fairly skillful ones, some nice Halo 2 trickery, and a good bit of quite impressive Halo 1 stunts. Terminator managed to recreate my 3 hogs in the blue hallway trick, and BELIEVE ME, that's difficult. Overall, great vid, and I really enjoyed it. I did, truly. What follows is simply another mini-article I've been stewing on for some time, and just decided to write up now that I'm thinking about it. :)
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On a separate (but related) note, I wanted to make another (probably unheeded) plea for somewhat of a return to the days of small videos that really document a trick well enough for folks who aren't tricksters to be impressed with what you do.
As someone who has spent many hours working on a trick, I feel it's a shame to give 3 or 4 seconds of a tricktage to a stunt that took you 3 hours to complete. This video is a good example of what I'm talking about here. I KNOW there are tricks in there that took hours to complete, but most non-tricksters (and even some tricksters who haven't been around that long), will look over some of those amazing stunts and yawn, simply because they don't know what went into making that stuff happen. As a trickster, and a video maker, it's your job to give people that info (IMHO). If you look at some of Frogblast's videos and writeups, they're almost scientific in the way they explain things. To me, THAT is what really interested me - HOW stuff was done, and not just the end result.
I know I'm just a voice crying in the wilderness here, but...
*tumbleweed*
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Ducain, on your side note i agree with you and disagree with you at the same time. well, not disagree, but just have a different perspective. I kinda like seeing these big productions (most of the time). There is just an element to it that is very exciting, that u dont get from watching a 45 second vid of one glitch. the community has grown to the point where people are not simply looking to document tricks. its now about finding something and putting on a presentation. Kinda like a company going public. it has its advantages, but it loses that homey, good old days feel. but, thats what u gotta do if u wanna grow. Ionno, thats just my take on it.
However, i do agree with u in the fact that i would like to see more explaining the glitch, rather than simply showing it for 5 seconds and never tqalking about it. i find great interest in learning how and why a glitch works, not just simply that it does work.
Don't worry Ducain, I will have plenty of Keyes tricks to come. :)
They will be short, concise, and to the point showing you how to do the trick and how to perform it. There's a lot more to that level than most think.
scurty says:
Don't worry Ducain, I will have plenty of Keyes tricks to come. :)
They will be short, concise, and to the point showing you how to do the trick and how to perform it. There's a lot more to that level than most think.
keyes unlocked wasn't enough? you animal!
Duke: i totally agree. your tricks and dark helmets were the first ones i ever saw and the ones that made me take up tricking. i loved how you two always showed all the steps. it was like i got to take the journey with you, but without all the aggrevation that goes along with it :D
it was also how i learned. by seeing the steps, i was able to recreate some of the tricks i saw and that's what gave me the skills to come up with my own. now i see tricks, but they're never explained cuz everyone is montage-happy and they don't want to make a tut for every trick in the video. i would love to see things take a turn back towards old school. that's one thing i'm looking forward to in h3. we'll all be on the same playing field as far as newness, which i think will prompt people to start showing the steps again.
^^Lol, I found a few new things after he released it. -_-
But in regards to Duke's post.......I agree for the most part. The only time when I dont mind just seeing the end result of a trick is in one of the uber-large videos, with 20 different people helping out. Usually they make tutorials for that kind of thing anyway. Nowadays, most of us are familiar enough with all the campaign basic tricks and glitches so that we can guess how someone did something, even if there's no process recorded for it. But you really need process clips for multiplayer stuff. Some of that stuff can be mind boggling, since there's some really random trick methods out thar.
I usually err on the other side though. My videos show almost very single meaningful process I can (except for marine collecting LOL) show. I do that mainly because since I'm a halo PC tricker, some people still have the idea that 80% of halo PC tricks are modded, and thats definitely not a stereotype I want to go with.
Ducain says:
On a separate (but related) note, I wanted to make another (probably unheeded) plea for somewhat of a return to the days of small videos that really document a trick well enough for folks who aren't tricksters to be impressed with what you do.
As someone who has spent many hours working on a trick, I feel it's a shame to give 3 or 4 seconds of a tricktage to a stunt that took you 3 hours to complete. This video is a good example of what I'm talking about here. I KNOW there are tricks in there that took hours to complete, but most non-tricksters (and even some tricksters who haven't been around that long), will look over some of those amazing stunts and yawn, simply because they don't know what went into making that stuff happen. As a trickster, and a video maker, it's your job to give people that info (IMHO). If you look at some of Frogblast's videos and writeups, they're almost scientific in the way they explain things. To me, THAT is what really interested me - HOW stuff was done, and not just the end result.
I know I'm just a voice crying in the wilderness here, but...
*tumbleweed*
I agree with you 100%. Ive been ranting about that same point with everyone ive talked to on live... I dont think that variety videos give enough credit to the person who did the trick. Maybe I will have our clan make individual videos.
just a suggesion for the producers of the big VV's
make the inclusion of a tut (vid or text) a requirement of submission for the project - then post the links at the bottom for those who might be interested
Thanks Ducain, we appreciate it- and yes, the three 'Hog and Marine thing took me a whole week. >_<
*Deep exhale* I'll be sure to think on this some more before I start working on anything else.... I do agree, now that it has been brought to my attention, but I still have the issue with luck- capturing everything when it happens is not my strong point. -_-
*Looks at Gilly's custom title*
*Pokes self*
ya, im glad i've never gone away from the old days of v1 vids. under 20 mb showing the full process n all steps.
I could care less how long it took them to do it, I just like the finished product. I don't need to see an hour of footage on them doing it, that's boring. Keep it short guys.
Capturing everything means that whenever you fire up your box, you pop in a VCR tape and hit record, or you record with your cap device, the WHOLE time you play.
Seriously. It's what I've always done. That was one of the first things that Vern Shields told me he did, to make sure he always recorded the 'good moments', and so I started doing it.
If you don't record everything, you miss most of the good stuff. To me, the BEST part of the video is showing the execution of the trick, not the completion.
:)
Thats what I do, basically, since I can turn fraps off and on with the touch of a button. I didnt do it early on, and I missed alot. =\
Ducain says:
Capturing everything means that whenever you fire up your box, you pop in a VCR tape and hit record, or you record with your cap device, the WHOLE time you play.
Seriously. It's what I've always done. That was one of the first things that Vern Shields told me he did, to make sure he always recorded the 'good moments', and so I started doing it.
If you don't record everything, you miss most of the good stuff. To me, the BEST part of the video is showing the execution of the trick, not the completion.
:)
i like doing that too because something really cool always happens that was unplanned so it's good to have it recorded in case you need to refer back to it when trying to recreate it. i've have one trick spark ideas for other tricks that way and it was handy to go back and reexamine the process. besides that, we have new members joining every day and they may not even know the basics. but if they can follow along right off the bat, it'll hold their interest better, and they'll keep coming back and tell other people and it'll help the community keep growing.
/end after-school-special rant
Ducain says:
Capturing everything means that whenever you fire up your box, you pop in a VCR tape and hit record, or you record with your cap device, the WHOLE time you play.
Seriously. It's what I've always done. That was one of the first things that Vern Shields told me he did, to make sure he always recorded the 'good moments', and so I started doing it.
If you don't record everything, you miss most of the good stuff. To me, the BEST part of the video is showing the execution of the trick, not the completion.
:)
Like a few people i think this is a double edged sword. Not everyone can be happy. I like the variety vids because i know most of what has to be done to accomplish those tricks and i normally know how hard or how much effort needs to be put into each one. But for people who haven't been around that long it could be a groundbreaking discovery but all they see is what they get. For example when Trinity was posted at HBO it was looked at as pretty much a waste of time to those people. Half the people that saw it though nothing of it and that it was average,since thier not to familiar with tricking. When i do tricks i record everything as well but making a TUT for everything would be a nightmare and even more time consuming. People will eventually start getting bored. Either there would be triple the threads being made or if someone puts all their tricks with TUTs in one thread only half of them may be seen before the viewer gets tired and overloaded. That's were i think we need to make an mutual agreement. If a huge variety is made we can throw down basic TUTs for the hard stuff so people that are interested can watch and then just have the whole vid uptop.